Trever's getting flustered with worry now. "He.. we... were fifteen... we were fifteen and just... had been well... I don't know what triggered it. Dad had been giving us training in the Force... just little things...and Kale just... he... I don't know...wasn't him... wasn't anyone... more like... a lot of people... and animals...we found him in the hills." He's not looking at Revan now. Perhaps he didn't want to go to Tobias because he didn't want Tobias to know about this. "Dad purged his memories somehow..."

"I dunno... both?"